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    Question asked 2018-10-14 09:15:37 ... Most recent comment 2018-10-19 14:55:07
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    I have a painter friend who wants to isolate every layer of tempera she applies because she vigorously works each new layer yet doesn't want to affect underlying ones.  She wants to work in a similar vein to the English painter Nina Murdoch, whose working method is described as egg tempera alternating with varnish layers.  My friend wrote Murdoch to ask what she uses as a varnish but did not get a reply. I've read catalogs that describe Murdoch's work - 

    https://issuu.com/marlboroughfineart/docs/1561_mfa_nina_murdoch_artwork_issuu

    https://issuu.com/marlboroughfineart/docs/murdoch_aw2_issuu

    One image shows a very high gloss, saturated surface – so I am puzzled what Murdoch could be using to achieve her working method and high gloss, but which keeps her work in the realm of "Egg Tempera".  (Of course I realize that artists' descriptions of their work, catalog captions, even museum labels are not always complete or completely accurate). 

    The catalog also mentions Murdoch's favored glazing medium recently went out of production; coincidentally my friend noted Sennelier's egg tempera glazing medium has been discontinued – could that be Murdoch's secret formula?  We don't know. I couldn't find Sennelier's glazing medium ingredients but their binding medium is made from egg, oil and gum Arabic.  I would rather such a medium not be described as "Egg Tempera"; I think it would be more clarifying to call it Tempera Grassa or egg/oil emulsion - but I realize I have no say in the matter. :-)

    I've wondered how the tubed egg temperas (which are in fact tempera grassas) by Zecchi, Sennelier, Rowney, etc are made - they can't use a yolk in its entirety as the paint would putrefy.  Do you know how they do it?

    Back to Murdoch's work, and my friend who's trying to understand it; she also prefers the more saturated, rich look of varnished tempera.   I have told her that, while alternating multiple layers of ET and some sort of water insoluble isolator is potentially quite problematic, I believe there are reasonably durable ways to isolate a final tempera layer and then varnish it.   

     

    Any thoughts on the above are welcome.


    Koo Schadler 

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    Koo

    As usual, your question is multifold and challenging. I can only state my opinions and in some cases can only make guesses with some of my remarks. Unfortunately, anyone can call their medium anything they want and there is nothing that can be done to enforce a rational nomenclature. I hate the use of the term gesso for acrylic dispersion grounds and refuse to use the term for such materials on MITRA. I will, of course, have no effect on the sloppy use of the term. Even manufacturers, who certainly know better, continue to do so because they do not want to confuse their customers.

    I am guessing that the artist in question is using washes of egg-oil or even egg-natural resin emulsions between varnish layers. Emulsions of egg and oil or resin still dry to a relatively matte surface in my experience. The fatty component would have to be quite high to retain a strong surface sheen.  The addition of gum Arabic to an egg oil emulsion may create a less matte surface as suggested by Sennelier description of the medium. I have a jar of it in my collection of materials, but have never really experimented with the product. The high gloss would suggest that the interlayered varnishes are substantial and likely make up a large portion of the bulk of the paint.

    As you suggested, alternating water soluble layers between slick and/or glossy resinous or oil layers is a recipe for future problems. I have been a part of a study of the works of Henry Ossawa Tanner and many of his later works suffer horribly due to an analogous working procedure. His technique is actually very complex and too complicated for the discussion at hand.

    I do not know the exact formulations of the egg-oil emulsions sold as egg tempera by a number of manufacturers. I believe that they are a mixture of egg yolk, a drying oil, and a preservative. I will reach out to Sennelier to see if they would like to comment.

    Certainly, there are less problematic methods to create a varnished tempera surface. I know that you once used shellac with reasonable results. I would suggest that a coat or two of B-72 (dissolved in a mixture of xylene and ethanol) over the tempera should serve as a good isolating layer and could be removed with toluene or acetone later if this was required. Egg tempera should not be sensitive to acetone like oil films can be.  A standard picture varnish could be applied over this layer. Please do tests on mock paintings before using this procedure on your own work. I have used this and poly-vinyl acetate in solution (ethanol) over small tempera paintouts, but never on a fully realized work of contemporary art

    Brian Baade
    2018-10-15 19:35:24
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    ​Hi Brian,

    My friend uses the Lascaux varnish spray (which I belive is B72) over her temperas and is pleased with the result.  I've made B72 from scratch and also like it (although I have yet to arrive at an ideal ratio of pellets to solvent or get proficient at hand application).  It's a good solution as an isolator.

    I suspect you might have more success in getting an answer from Sennelier, so I appreciate you asking how they produce tubed egg temperas.  I've wondered about this for a long time and am all ears.

    Apologies in advance if I use "gesso" to describe an acrylic dispersion (I was vigorously taken to task for this more than once by Mark Gottsegen on AMIEN).  I'm aware of how the term was appropriated, and sympathetic to how it muddies the water of "true" versus acrylic gesso - but at this point I feel that ship has sailed, there is no going back, and I've succumbed to common usage. Sigh.

    Thanks as always,


    Koo 

    2018-10-16 08:06:33
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    ​Hi Koo,

    These are some fantastic notes and questions. I am the Director of Education for Savoir-Faire, the exclusive importer of Sennelier (and a few other brands) in the US. I have requested additional details from Sennelier to address some specifics.

    Regarding the note that Sennelier has discontinued the Sennelier Egg Tempera Medium, this must be a miscomunication from somewhere, as we still have, and readily available within the US, the Sennelier Egg Tempera Mediums (there are 2 different ones in addition to the Binding Medium). If you, or your friend would like to reach out to me directly, I am happy to assist in tracking this down for you. Please e-mail custsvc@savoirfaire.com to be directed to me.

    You are correct that Sennelier Egg Tempera is an Egg/Oil Emulsion, and has been since its formulation in 1895. Beyond that I do not have the specific technical details needed to dive in, but am hoping to be able to update this post with more information very soon.

    Thank you,

    Andrew Cook

    Director of Education

    Savoir-Faire

    www.savoirfaire.com

    2018-10-18 17:26:30
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    ​Thanks so much Andrew. We would all love to have more info about how you are able to create an egg-oil tempera paint without fear of purtrification.

    Brian Baade
    2018-10-18 19:50:37
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    ​Hi Andrew,

    Thanks for chiming in. I'm hoping you'll be able to tell us how tubed egg tempera paints don't end up smelling like, well, rotten eggs.  

    My understanding is that it's a Sennelier glazing medium that was supposedly discontinued - but I don't know for sure, I'm working with third hand information so I may not have a clear understanding.  If you could provide a comprehensive list of all Sennelier egg tempera related products - what they contain (to the extent you can say ingredients), what they're intended for -  I would be interested.

    Thanks,

    Koo

    2018-10-19 14:55:07
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